| Main Forum Page | Start new Thread | Edit your AD | Search ForumIn Response to Pravda & W. Shedd on the IL-76 waterbomber Monday, July 26, 2004 (5:22 PM)Posted by JohnA (61) Edit | In Response to Pravda & W. Shedd on the IL-76 waterbomber | Dear Editor; I read with interest Pravda's article and W. Shedd's research on the US Forest Service's excuses for not using the IL-76 waterbomber. http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/395/13498_Ilyushin.html While I am obviously in a better postion than most to refute these claims, point by point; and much of the Forest Service/Shedd case is refuted here: http://www.waterbomber.com/rebuttal.htm, I cannot be objective. I'd rather readers turn to third party opinion like that of the Australasian Fire Authorities Council and Dr. C. William Kauffman, of U Mich. Even to Californian firefighter opinion from the Christian Science Monitor from 1998: http://search.csmonitor.com/durable/1998/12/03/fp6s2-csm.shtml These opinions are easily searched online. Each expert recommends the IL-76 waterbomber. The trouble with the US Forest Service's excuses is that if the plane turns out to be even half as useful as proponents say it is, and US Forest Service views are dead wrong, the US Forest Service will wear this failure just like US security agencies are wearing the results of the 9/11 commission inquiry. Twenty four (24) lives were lost as well as 3,900+ homes in Socal's fire catastrophe of Oct-Nov '03. It has been reported that insurance companies want to recover, despite the formidable legal obstacles presented overcoming immunity from suit against the government. The US Forest Service's Joe Madar, (d) in his 1994-5 report following a Global Emergency Response joint venture-sponsored UK test, named the IL-76 an "Emergency Supplemental Air Tanker," carving out a US role for the airplane and indicating more work with the airplane should be done. More work has been done. A decade's worth; fighting forest fires in Russia and elsewhere while the US Forest Service sat on its decrepit fleet of large air tankers and did nothing with the IL-76. But Mr W. Shedd is right about one thing. It isn't President Bush's fault the Il-76 waterbomber isn't in use in the US right now. That I would lay squarely at the feet of the Agriculture and Interior Secretariats, who have shown failure of imagination. All Global Emergency Response ever wanted out of the US was leadership and fairness on this tanker. What they got was a series of half-truths and obfuscations from the same agency that needed this year to stand down all 33 larger air tankers as the tanker program under which these tankers were running lacked safety, integrity, and much of a future. Sincerely; John Anderson Global Emergency Response www.waterbomber.com Calgary |
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Posted by Flanker (73) Edit | RE: In Response to Pravda & W. Shedd on the IL-76 waterbomber Posted: July 27, 2004 (2:18 AM) | In case the plane doesn't meet the firefighting needs, as the forest service spokesman said, then it is better to buy Be-200, maybe the best firefighting plane in the world. I don't think that IL-76 CANDID is too big, it is not bigger than C-141 Starlifter, but what deserves attention is, IL-76 was designed as a military transport airplane, not as a firefighting machine, that's why even its usage in transport airlines was delayed. We can talk about Be-200, not so big, but big enough. Water bomber, transport machine, having superb capabilities, electrical "fly by wire" system, superb avionics and flying characteristics, made by carbon alloys, it can drop 10 tons water over the fire. And what's more the water amount that can be dropped, can be controlled, so to say: if you want to drop only 1000 kg. you are ready to do it. And a question: in case IL-76 is too big for firefighting operations and the forest service wants to use only its smaller airplanes, then why does those people couldn't die down the fire in California previous summer? |
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Posted by JohnA (61) Edit | RE: In Response to Pravda & W. Shedd on the IL-76 waterbomber Posted: July 27, 2004 (7:18 AM) | A senior Australian fireman, very bullish on the prospects for the IL-76, told us there was only one thing we needed to remember going out the piece with the IL-76 waterbomber.and that was:Some small percentage of wildfires, perhaps 5%; the Big Ones; does some very large percentage, perhaps 95%, of all wildfire damage. An American aerial firefighting firm has seen the benefits of the Be-200 optioning eight (8) of these fine airplanes, first deliveries reported to be for 2007. The IL-76 "too big" excuse does not now stand, according to this: http://www.fire.uni-freiburg.de/media/2003/news_20030905_us.htm however, if you searched online, you will find a chorus of Beltway singers, led by Sect'y Gale Norton, extolling the virtues of a fresh fleet of small, single-engined tankers, swarming as bees to a fire and dropping non-contiguous loads like bambi-buckets from small helicopters. "Less", she claims, "is more." According to Canada's Chief Fire Officer, Al Simard, "Any aircraft, killing any fire, pays for it for an entire season." His logic is irrefutable. First strike, there is a place for small, fixed-wing aerial firefighting tools. There is also a place for the large helicopter, the small helicopter, and, of course, the Be-200, whose liquids load is in the order of those 33 large air tankers the US retired for safety problems this year. But in dire fire circumstances, such as those you cite from Southern California, where 24 people died and 3,900+ homes were destroyed, the IL-76 waterbomber simply has no substitutes. Other case examples come to mind: Canberra, Kelowna, and Los Alamos, being but three. And look what is happening in France and Portugal now and what has happened in 2003. Was there any reason 24 Portugese needed to die in wildfires there in '03 when there is the IL-76 waterbomber? No. Each of the Il-76 waterbomber and the Be-200 have been demonstrated at NATO disaster exercises and beyond. There are no more excuses. People know how good these aircraft are and there is the sense that another el Nino will bring the world another "Year the Earth Burned" (WWF-International). Have we developed a tolerance for frequent invasions of wildfire into our homes and our infrastructure? Will e.g. large gas plants like Canada's Pengrowth Judy Creek gas plant and nuclear materiel at Los Alamos be visited by 50-year-old DC-6 tankers forever? Obviously not. Large liquids volume adherents like Global Emergency Response take comfort in the wisdom of businessmen from another era; the late 50s, when the Martin Mars aircraft were first introduced in British Columbia. While the Mars aircraft is limited. it can load _only_ in available open water. where it does drop its North America-leading 6,600 gallons, it does very serious damage to wildfire. http://www.vectorsite.net/avmars.html#m7 |
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Posted by Flanker (73) Edit | RE: In Response to Pravda & W. Shedd on the IL-76 waterbomber Posted: July 27, 2004 (9:39 AM) | Every summer is really very hot in the Mediterranean region, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece and although those countries have a great experience with firefighting they suffer a lot, there are a lot of victims, big casualties, burned houses and thousands of acres of forests. This thread was interesting and I thank you for the writing. |
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