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real stealth and Russian anti-stealth radars
Friday, February 11, 2005 (1:16 AM)

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WenASe (68)
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Some of you guys here said that U.S F-117, B-2 and F-22 could be visible on Russian radar screen. After reading it, one question came into my head and that is, "Why wasn't any U.S F-117 and B-2 shot down by Iraqi anti-aircraft missile system using Russian radars in the 1991 and 2003 wars?" Only one U.S F-117 was shot down in Yugoslavia in 1999. I think U.S F-117 and B-2 have real stealth capabilities. Only Russian Tamara anti-stealth radar can track these stealth planes.

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hello (109)
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Posted: February 11, 2005 (1:26 AM)
cause if you give monkey a rifle - it doesn't mean he can shoot.
and Tamara is produced by Tesla (Chechoslovakia)

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Karakondsul (49)
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Posted: February 11, 2005 (2:34 AM)
Yeah, both of you are right. The reason for not shooting down such an airplane by the Iraqie air defence was versatile. First of all Iraq didn't possess the at that time up-to-date russian radars, there isn't a muslim country in the world, which possess up-to-date radar systems, it is true. When a country from the near east, or country from the so called third world wants to buy a fighter or any radar system or any system, which includes hardware electronic equipment, this country always receives the equipment with lowered, reduced characteristics. It is like a "military measure, a military legislation". So Iraq didn't have good radars. But even so, the problem is not in the radar systems, The F-117, shot down in Yugoslavia, was not the first F-117 which has crashed. In 1990, the period of the first gulf war, when F-117 was used not only at night, but even at day time, one such airplane has crashed, I say "has crashed", because US officials said so, after that accident (they weren't sure if the airplane has been shot down or has crashed, because of other reasons - pilot mistake or electronic jamming), the accident was little bit suppressed, concealed. NAD THAT NOT THE FIRST ACCIDENT WITH F-117. In 1987-88, the conflict in Panama, at that time F-117 was really very secret project, he flew only at night and was used specially for testing of the detection systems and other equipment. So, there were only few such airplanes, produced. one of them has crashed , but US army could evacuate the remains in time. The pilot has successfully ejected and at that time enginners realized that the plane had big problems with the bad weather conditions, too dry air, too humid air, windy air and so on. (little bit laughter), finally the air force made the decision to build only 25 fighters, they were dissapointed by the airplane, most of the time passed in painting the fuselage, much time was needed for preflight control and it was too expensive. The results were low. at that time there are 21 F-117.

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Karakondsul (49)
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Posted: February 11, 2005 (2:35 AM)
The other thing is: Iraq after the first gulf war didn't possess anti-aircraft systems, capable radars, fast everything has been destroyed during the first gulf war.

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Karakondsul (49)
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Posted: February 11, 2005 (2:40 AM)
Tamara is not the most, most. The variant of S-300PMU "Sokol" system, which is the most reliable anti-aircraft "PVO = air defence" system in the world at that moment has better characteristics than Tamara. The Tamara project is too old, the beginning of the 80's. Now The S-400 system, tested by the russian PVO in Kazahstan, will be the mainstay of the russian air defence. It can play the role of anti-rocket system, "rocket umbrella".

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Karakondsul (49)
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Posted: February 11, 2005 (7:58 AM)
Yeah, definitely the radar sustem must be passive, S-300PMU has not only active, but passive channel too, both can be turned on, only active or only passive can operate too.

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Karakondsul (49)
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Posted: February 11, 2005 (9:11 AM)
S-300, S-300PMU and other S-300 "Sokol" modifications are in service, they are the backbone of the russian air defence. S-400 is definitely better, it has up-to-date electronic equipment, S-400 serial production began an year ago and now the first complexes, systems are tested in Kazahstan against real flying targets.

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Karakondsul (49)
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Posted: February 11, 2005 (9:20 AM)
What do you mean, I didn't understand, did you mean, that we are in the forum at the same time?

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Karakondsul (49)
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Posted: February 11, 2005 (9:38 AM)
Yeah, just right this radar, which is part of the S-300PMU system

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Karakondsul (49)
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Posted: February 14, 2005 (2:47 AM)
I don't know if the chinese produce this radar-rocket complex.

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Greek (44)
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Posted: January 19, 2006 (7:02 PM)
You are well informed Karakondsul! It's a matter of fact that S-300 is the best long range SAM system worldwide. It shares some capabilities with the Patriot; 160-170 km max. range, 50-70 km "no escape zone", but the Patriot min. target engagement altitude is 60m while the one of the S-300 is 10m! You are free to make conclusions!
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