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Friday, February 18, 2005 (7:24 PM)Posted by
leroy (1)
Edit | russian vs american | i think you have to think of the f-22 as part of a package and not as an individual weapon. it is designed to work primarily in the BVR mode along with AWACS etc.
The american ideology is superior if not the f-22 on its own and would inevitably win a high degree of engagements. |
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Posted by
freebie (27)
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Posted: February 19, 2005 (5:21 AM) | | US ideology is vastly superior to Russian ideology. That is why their most successful military campaign (1990/1991 Gulf War) was orchestrated using solely Russian ideology, doctrine and tactics. If they'd used their obviously superior ideology, doctrine and tactics as well as their aryan race that is clearly smarter then dumb Russians then they would have won too easily. (Please note my sarcasm) |
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Posted by
freebie (27)
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Posted: February 19, 2005 (10:36 PM) | | I was just making fun of people who automatically assume people from the USA are smarter then all others. On top of that I was picking fun at the concept that the US military has the best training, doctrine and ideology when in fact they used Russian versions of the above in their most successful campaigns. Eg. if their ideology is so perfect why did they use Russian ideology when they were most successful? |
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Posted by
Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: February 20, 2005 (6:48 AM) | | Maybe, USA use russians ideology as you said - give an example please. |
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Posted by
maswastageBG (13)
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Posted: March 7, 2005 (6:10 PM) | | The last major conflict that Russia has participated in was their operations in Afghanistan between 1979 and 1989, during which they had their forces utterly raped by Afghani guerillas. The last major operation the United States has participated in was Iraqi Freedom, during which US forces used German tactics (blitzkrieg) and not Russian ones, to annihilate Iraqi forces and occupy the Iraqi capitol. Further back, the US participated in operations in Afghanistan. Where the Russians before them had been destroyed by Afghani guerillas, the US succeeded in occupying the nation and chasing out said guerillas. Further back still, American forces participated in Desert Storm. I don't know what tactics they used (somehow I doubt they were Russian), but in any case, they once more annihilated the opposing side. So no, I'm not "just saying" that the US has better tactics/training/equipment/boots. There is hard evidence to back that up. And don't try throwing the "they were fighting an inferior force" card at me, because look at the Russians. They were fighting a far inferior force in Afgahnistan, as well, and they got their asses handed to them. |
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Posted by
freebie (27)
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Posted: March 9, 2005 (5:52 PM) | In the recent Iraq war the USA used 'combined arms tactics'. They first used this in combat against Iraq in the 1990/91 conflict. This is a Russian doctrine that has existed since the 1950's where all branches of the military work together for the same goal. Previously the USA used a doctrine in which each branch worked individually on different missions. Even Naval aviation and Air Force aviation wouldn't help each other on the same mission.
One of the main reasons why the USA used combined arms against the Iraqi's was because the most experienced units involved in the conflict were the OpFor units. These are the guys who'd been pretending to be Russian for the better part of the Cold War. They believed that using combined arms they could trounce the Iraqi's who'd been taught it innefectually by Russian commanders.That said . Afghanistan was not such a great disaster for Russia. They lost around 10,000 troops in a war that saw their troops in country for 15 years. Compare this to the Vietnam war which lasted only slightly longer but cost the USA 50,000 casualties and saw 10 times the amount of civilian deaths as well as incredibly sad consequences in the region (Khmer Rouge). The main reason for the massive loss of troops on the Russian's part in Afghanistan was due to the length of the war. The length of the war was due to the fact the Russian military was not allowed to occupy Afghanistan. Their forces were there to assist the pro-Russian Afghani government to occupy Afghanistan.
The big problem being that the Pro Russian afghani's didn't like the idea of fighting the Mujaheddin. So the Russian army would storm through a region, conquer it, capture the cities, then move on. The Pro Russian Afghani's would see the Mujaheddin coming and surrender. |
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Posted by
Military (2)
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Posted: September 8, 2005 (5:23 PM) | | Does the whole 'superior U.S. training/tactics/whatever' cover the fact that U.S. recently acquired anti-guerilla warfare training at CIJWS? Does it explain how the terrorists in the September 11, 2001, attacks were able to penetrate the so-called 'the most secure airspace in the world' and blow the hell out of the Pentagon while the NORAD watched? The U.S. has the technological superiority, without a shadow of doubt, most of which were acquired from Germany after the end of World War II. That does not make it innovative, although I'll concede that in later years, using intelligence sources from abroad, the U.S. has surprisingly managed to become semi-innovative. The whole idea of superior ideology, therefore, is utter nonsense. BTW, 'maswastageBG,' you failed to cover the huge embarassment suffered by the Pentagon (and the United States, by large) over 9/11, the Gulf War in '91, where despite the high inaccuracy of Scud missiles, the U.S. was unable to confirm a single kill -- such embarassment. Talk is cheap, buddy. |
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Posted by
MarlboroManX (48)
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Posted: November 27, 2007 (2:26 AM) | | Not to burst your bubble russian friends but combined arms tactics is a German idea, not a russian one. Russian doctrines on combined arms did not come about until 1950's. Field Diaries of FieldMarschall Erwin Rommel; its a good read detailing combined arms tactics utilized in Germany. AKA Blitzkrieg. Combined Arms survived to be used by both US and Russia. US attack on Iraq was textbook Blitzkrieg if one compares it to Rommel's notes. |
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