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top ten armies
Thursday, April 7, 2005 (10:04 PM)

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Tupolev (13)
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Which countries do you think the best top 10 armies of the world?

Posted by
Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: April 8, 2005 (4:11 AM)
First I am a Military Specialist and a professional observer to all the world armies,i am lebanese and our army is so poor.But answering on the question:dear friends i know you love russia because you and the site are russians but the good army is not in its number of personnels but in its equipment technology and this is the special thing in the US army.And remember that the russian nuclear possibility is 1/5 as form to the US nuclear possibility so the best is USA and after come russia,britain,france,israel,germany,india,pakistan.

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FireFly (47)
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Posted: April 10, 2005 (8:51 AM)
I think the order is:
1- Russian Army.
2- American Army: Due to high tech.
3- China: Due to large number of soldiers.
4- UK, France & India compete to it, but I personally can't decide.

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Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: April 10, 2005 (9:03 AM)
Firefly, you specify to all of country your reason, but for Russia?
Why do you think Russian army are the best?
Because in soviet time soldiers trained with real bullets - so there were soldiers who died? So they were well trained in psichology aspect. Or what is your reason?

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FireFly (47)
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Posted: April 10, 2005 (9:10 AM)
The special thing about the Russian Army " and the Russian people in genereal" that they can't be beaten on their own soil. we've seen this fact many times in history: WW2, Napoleon. etc

Russian Army is the most superior inside his own land. But not that much strong outside it. See Afganistan.

So, when we speak about armies, we speak about defending our land, not attacking others "except the US army".

That's how I rate armies.


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FireFly (47)
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Posted: April 16, 2005 (6:17 PM)
Mr "What"
I agree with you that the US army is the biggest in the world. But the argument is not about how big the army is. It's about the quality of the whole army. The morale of the soldiers also counts in this. The Russian soldiers are stronger than the American ones, & have more courage.

Anyway, if we imagine a battle between a US division and a Russian division "taking the position of the field in consediration",

If it's in a Russian soil, or easter european soil. US army has no chance to win.

If it's in a western european or American soil, that might make a difference somehow. But I still think that the Russian soldiers are more solid and smarter than the american ones. Because Americans are trained mainly for hi-tech battles. which is actually an illusion. Real battles WILL happen. & the use of simple weapons will be the only solution. At that stage, Russians have the superiority, "in my own opinion".

Evidence?
Well, in Iraq invasion, Americans had the superiority as long as their hi-tech was available. But Iraqis used to annihilate them when they don't have that advantage, or even in street fights.
Every attack of the resistance on the americans "even if they were alert" has been won by resistance until the hi-tech machines arrive to the field. That's a very obvious fact.


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jadeboy (44)
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Posted: April 19, 2005 (9:27 AM)
http://www.cdi.org/issues/wme/spendersfy04.html

(US figures I believe does not include extra money for iraq nor afghanistan)

Lastest figures I can find. But this year the US military budget is about 50% of the WORLD military budget, it has been like that for a few years. Some have called the US a Hyper Power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperpower) instead of super power (both military and economic). If you want to fight a conventional war against the US, the US will bankrupt your country.

"Where did you hear that most of the tanks are garbage? US army even dont have enough M1A2 for their own army. They are using the M1A1, that even a T-72 can beat."

What crack are you smoking. Look at the 1991/2003 gulf war. I believe in 1991 war the US didn't have a single tank destroy due to an iraq tank (althought the US destroys thousands of iraq tank), athough some were hit (about 300 US dealth during 1991, 50-100,000 iraq dead?). The only tank that destory a M1 in 1991 was another M1 due to friendly friend. I don't even think the T-72 tank shell can even penetrate the M1 armor. Iraq was the 4th largest army in the world in 1991. It had mostly russia weapons (tanks/planes/etc), I saw TV documentary before the war with Russia Generals commenting about how Iraq would do against the America, the Russia provide help for many of the iraq force using Russia strategy and tactic (rumor they did the defence for iraq in 2003 war - didn't help ha.). The Russia Generals said the US would win but it would bloody battle for the US. But in the end of 1991 gulf war it was a total one sided war for the US, probably the most one sided war in history surely the most one sided in modern history.

From a Canadian. Most people in the world don't think Russia as a super power or military power anymore (with exception of the Nuclear Weapon). Mainly because Russia is basically bankrupt nation although the economic has been turning around recently because of better management and high oil price (US/Russia are largest producer of oil, Saudia Arabia is the largest exporter of oil). As for the Russia tank/air plane/etc. most of them are broken or need serious repairs and the most advance weapons are so low in number to be an insufficent force (How many WORKING S-400 are in field usage? or the latest working Mig/SU?). Russia's military need money. why do you think we have flymig.com (although Russia have great pilots/planes but the pilots/planes don't get flying time - NO MONEY).

As for the Russia solider, they suffer high suicide rate ( I think more Russia soliders have committed suicide last year then the total US lost in iraq in the last 2 years about 1500 both combat/no combat related) and many try get around the draft, and there is widespread corruption within the military leading to some soldier not being able to feed themselves. Find me a reputable/independent 3rd party news media to counter my statement. I know Putin is trying hard to turn this around.

Why don't you search google and read some article or goto the BBC and search on the Russia military (BTW wanna talk about navy/sea power?)

Why don't you post an article about the upto date Russia Military?


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Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: April 19, 2005 (5:46 PM)
Neodiamond, don't give up. That's why exists this forum - to argue your posts and to convince other people about some thinks.

I don't know so much about tanks but I believe T-72 is inferior to M1.

About 4th largest army - Iraq in 1991.

That's a ****.

I can beat 10 people at same time (people with ages btw 0-7 years old). So. I am a very powerful man. Comme on.

What had Iraq than?

Was more large than USA or China or India or Ukraine or UK or Russia or France?

Maybe than Hungary or Romania or even Germany.

What kind of weapons?

Was like Polonia in WWII. 43 men killed in german side and Polonia give up in 2 weeks.

If USA is so hyperpower why didn't attack Russia in Chechnya case?

Russia is bankrupt?

Maybe you talk about Bulgaria (1996).

Be, all of you, realists.

Some of you told MiG-29 was shot down in some cases by F-15. Right, but MiG-29 isn't UAV or UCAV, so there was mens' mistakes. Examples go on to infinite.

AGAIN, NEODIAMOND, IF YOU ENTERED ON THIS FORUM, PLEASE, TELL YOUR POINT, GO ON. WE DON'T FIGHT, ONLY CHANGE IMPRESIONS. DON'T GIVE UP SO EASY, BUT AGAIN WE MUST BE REALISTS.


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jadeboy (44)
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Posted: April 19, 2005 (6:49 PM)
"I will not continue to reply this thread. Its unstopable arguement (as some smart person said), in which US western like people will always present only the worst things in the Russian army, no mater how old the information is."

What are you talking about. I ask you to present your own articles.
Let you know, 95% of western media reports are NEGATIVE not only toward other countries but even more toward themselves. Bad news atrracts people, It's not that I pick on Russia. I live in Canada and our military is basically even in WORST shape.


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jadeboy (44)
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Posted: April 19, 2005 (7:10 PM)
"About 4th largest army - Iraq in 1991.

That's a ****. "

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7411AE9A-F168-4D26-B655-7479D7808C84.htm
- 'It would eventually grow to its apex during the Iraq-Iran war, when it reached a total figure of 1.75 million men-at-arms, making it the fourth largest army in the world.'

What do you said now?

"I can beat 10 people at same time (people with ages btw 0-7 years old). So. I am a very powerful man. Comme on.

What had Iraq than? "

http://www.cryan.com/war/

'Total Equipment
Iraqi Coalition
Lost On hand Lost On hand
Tanks 4,000 4,230 4 3,360
Artillery 2,140 3,110 1 3,633
Armored Personal Carriers 1,856 2,870 9 4,050
Helicopters 7 160 17 1,959
Aircraft 240 800 44 2,600 '

'The United States suffered 148 killed in action, 458 wounded, 121 killed in nonhostile actions and 11 female combat deaths

In June 1991 the U.S. estimated that more than 100,000 Iraqi soldiers died, 300,000 were wounded, 150,000 deserted, and 60,000 were taken prisoner. Many human rights groups claimed a much higher numbers of Iraqi killed in action.'

The iraq army was consided on the formable and well trained in the middle east since the recent war with iran especially the elite republican guards. Many Russia Generals in the documantary I saw highly praise the Iraq army. Saying the iraq army would be a bloody battle for the US.

"Was like Polonia in WWII. 43 men killed in german side and Polonia give up in 2 weeks"

This was 2 weeks? So what, it's not the entire war. Unfortunately Poland lost millions of people in WW2.

"If USA is so hyperpower why didn't attack Russia in Chechnya case? "

Why would they do that? It's Russia little trouble spot where there is now little information that ever get out since Russia rarely let any foreign journalists in. Unfortunately now. Russia don't have any more independent national media as it's all control by the Kremlin.

"Some of you told MiG-29 was shot down in some cases by F-15. Right, but MiG-29 isn't UAV or UCAV, so there was mens' mistakes. Examples go on to infinite. "

I still haven't found a single case of an F15 fighter ever being shot down by any Mig or SU no matter whatever the situation (yes we know the F15 had Awac sometimes)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15

'As of 2000, the F-15 in all air forces has a combined kill record of 104 kills to zero losses in air combat (a Japanese F-15J shot down another F-15J in 1995 due to an AIM-9 Sidewinder safety malfunction during air-to-air combat training with real weapons).

The majority of these kills have been actually been made by Israeli Air Force pilots. A number of Syrian-piloted Russian MiG-21's and several MiG-25, the plane the F-15 was designed to counter, were shot down in the late 1970's and early 1980's. In the 1982 Invasion of Lebanon, dozens (figures quoted on various websites vary from 80-92) of Syrian MiGs were shot down, including additional MiG-25's. A substantial fraction of these were shot down with F-15's.'


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jadeboy (44)
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Posted: April 19, 2005 (7:20 PM)
"I like in canada too.
And what the heck is wrong with our governmwnt officials.
Basically, we got no navy, and tiny little air force.
Our training is pretty good but in equipment-wise, we are worse than some arab countries.
Everytime we need to send our troops, we use American transport. "

Canadian Army force are a joke! In Canada people joke as to how Bad our military, you will not find one individual to said how good it is. The main reason. Same thing with Russia - NO Money!
Well until our recent budget we are doing spending some money to fix some of the problems. At least Russia has a military force, in Canada we don't have a miltiary force we have boys with small guns pretending to be soliders. I am almost sure that your country army can kick the butt against the Canadian arm forces. But it doesn't really matter that much because if anyone attack Canada, the US will attack them (one excuse we do not need an army).

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