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MIG 35 for 126 MRCA for IAF
Monday, October 31, 2005 (00:01 AM)

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harman (2)
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MIG 35 for 126 MRCA for IAF
I want to discuss the chances of Mig35 (Mig29OVT) to be inducted into IAF. I am Indian and personally I think we should go for Mig35 and make another MKI , rather than going for american F16BLK70 or F18E. It will also help russian aero industry which can put some more funds into PAK-FA . It will help both india and russia because afterall india is going to be the customer for pak-fa. it will further strengthen russian indian relationship

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JSF_fan (48)
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Posted: November 5, 2005 (4:31 AM)
I would stick to Russian and French aircraft although I think some American avionics would be helpful. What India really needs to be doing is looking for a stealth fighter. You really have three choices: try and make one yourself, throw money at Putin and get him to make you one or buy the F-35 which will be your primary cantidate to replace your harriers.

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Rebate (67)
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Posted: November 7, 2005 (7:57 AM)
Don't listen fierce tongues.
Russian fighters much better than American analogues.
Cope India 2004 is witness thereof - you probably knows.
Mig 29OVT will be inducted into IAF, as Su30MKI.
And in the future Su-47 will joined to them.

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JSF_fan (48)
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Posted: December 12, 2005 (3:04 AM)
You are clearly very baised towards Russian aircraft, prehaps you need to lighten up a little bit and unbaise yourself

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indiansukhoi (3)
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Posted: July 25, 2006 (1:37 PM)
PLenty of option are available for the Indian Airforce for its MRCA deal. The Main contenters are the France's Dassault (Mirage 2000-5 and Rafale), BAE/Saab (JAS-39 Gripen), EADS/BAE (Eurofighter Typhoon), The American firms Lockheed (F-16 Block 70) and Boeing (F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet), and Russia's Rosonboronexport (MiG-29OVT with thrust vectoring, aka. MiG-35).

Russian MiG-29OVT- or MiG-35,- The new model has vectored thrust, a modified digital fly-by-wire flight-control system and the Tikhomirov NIIP Bars-29 phased array electronically scanned radar. Indian Airforce has experience on Mig-29 and we can easily able to maintain with out no problems.

American F-18 with AESA radar - The F-18s with AESA radar looks to be a serious contenter on Indian Mrca deal due to its AESA radar.The F-18 with AESA radar can help the Indian Indigenous AESA radar program back on track

Rafale -The Rafale is a highly agile French twin-engined delta-wing multi-role fighter aircraft and it will be more better abd suitable for our Indian Navy Aircraft Carriers.


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Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: August 13, 2006 (2:36 PM)
JSF_fan, neighter Australia will not buy F-35.

For India, the best choise is MiG due to several advantage offered by russians that nobody else can do.

India refuse to buy PAKFA because is not MiG Corporation that will build it.

But I heard MiG will build its own 5th gen aircraft, not for Russia but for future possible sales (maybe India)


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empero (1)
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Posted: January 14, 2007 (4:58 PM)
Hey JSF_fan do you know that JSF is not even ALMOST consideret a fighter
its capabilities are too low- few hardpoints, internal fuel,100+ milliones for one plane ect. Its hard point is only stealth but when it comes in American and other countries inventories (around 2015) all modern aircrafts (includind sukois) will have AESA radars -here is when the radar cross section of JSF will be downgraded - not so ''powerful'' like in nowadays :)))))

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blackcat (9)
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Posted: October 5, 2011 (00:36 AM)
Buy the MIG-35 and save our young pilots lives!

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blackcat (9)
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Posted: October 8, 2011 (12:21 PM)
Fact#1: In the next 5-10 years 100's of 30-50 years old IAF MIG series fighters will be decommissioned due to end of servicability i.e., effective-life. IAF Squadron strengths are rapidly going to deplete to 30+ numbers or so. By end of 2020 only 30 effective squadrons of servicable aircrafts are projected to be operational with IAF; given the current rate of attrition! IAF prefers to have a squadron strength of 45+ numbers to effectively counter China & Pak.
Fact#2: Pakistan is going in for a major deal with China for joint-co-production of JF-17 and Chengdu J-10's. Their squadron numbers could be over 30+ within the next 5-10 years. IAF's answers to the above is to increase the Su30MKI inductions; since LCA FOC inductions have been delayed further and the new GE-engined MkII-LCA is nowhere in sight! No more threads on the internet on LCA-MKII development news at all! Su30MKI or the NEW-SU35-BM being offered to IAF, costs in the range of USD$millions 100 to 120 per piece. Delayed MRCA signing of deal & also the Typhoon costs USD$million 120 per aircraft including full maintenance costs. Rafale upwards of USD$million 90!
Fact#3: MIG-35 basic version was offered to IAF at a base price of USD$35 million a piece in 2009 with FULL ToT and manufacturing in India HAL units Nasik & Kholapur MIG airframe and engine factories>.
Factoring in inflation and increasing labor costs; MIG35 now costs USD$45 million a piece; with the AESA-Phazatron-Zhuk radar FULL digital multi-mode 250Kms range; multiple-targeting and simultaneous attack on top 8 threats; air-ground and air-sea expanded capability> + Passive electro-optical air-ground targeting pod on nose with a range of 60 kms for silent-mode ground-attack profile. RD-233OVT FULL 360degrees thrust-vectoring engines; using 5th-gen single-crystal turbine-blades technology, is the ONLY kind of its type in the world! Not even GE/Pratt&Whitney/Honeywell or EFA-Euro-Jet have such a thrust vectoring engine of this type, even on their design-boards yet! It is a 100% proven-reliable and trustworthy platform with superb thrust and instant acceleration; the RD-233OVT smokeless super engine technology!
Fact#4: Russia has offered to retro-fit the MIG-35 with Indian-Israeli-French avionics suite, as per IAF's new desired-standards as is the case of SU-30MKI deal>. Max. cost would now be only USD$ million 55-60 per aircraft. Compare this w/ 120 mil for Typhoon or 100+ mil for SU-35BM! MIG-35 would 100% certainly be a GREAT complement to the existing fleet of Su-30MKI and the existing MIG-29M's & K's in service.
FINAL SOLUTION: We need to get Operational in a real-big-hurry, 15 or more fighter squadrons in order to keep an effective IAF squadron strength of over 40+ numbers. So, Why not go in for a joint co-production of 300 or so MIG-35's; with all the LATEST-BEST Indian/Israeli/Russian/French/EADS avionics and weapons suite? At these numbers we could manage the cost per aircraft to around USD$55 million a piece very easily I feel! There is also some random noise of Russian politicians wanting to sell these MIG-35s to Pak, since India cancelled the Russian MRCA RFP! DANGEROUS MOVE.
PROGNOSIS: BUY the MIG-35s in large numbers, as a Govt-Govt defence contract - over and above the MRCA deal now! Keep our very Strategic and Closest Defence Partner since our 1947 Independence days - Russia on our-side forever and sign Strategic Arms & Joint Defence exercise deals with them soon! It is only a miniscule amount USD$ 17 billion or so for 300+ MIG-35s.> compared to the horrendous losses our dear country has suffered, thru' various Govt high-level scams that have taken place until now! Save the lives of our young brave fighter-piots. Get them good-quality proven gen 4 and 5 fighters!

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blackcat (9)
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Posted: October 8, 2011 (12:45 PM)
I mean, save the lives of our Young 'n Brave fighter pilots! MIG-35 is a very safe fighter indeed. Fact is that, in the early 90's given Gorbachev's Perestroika and new-openness movement; the Russian economy and hence their defence industry was thrown into TOTAL chaos and mismanagement. It almost came to a complete standstill and then the Russian Mafia took over ALL arms deals & foreign sales. Sand blasted Refurbished and painted-over used-old aircraft parts also tank-parts> were sold as new-spares to the IAF and Army! This did result in a lot of crashes of MIG fighters series and deaths of many fighter pilots then. This caused a great deal of consternation-anger with the IAF top brass; who ultimately pledged to do away completely with Russian MIG series fighters from their inventories henceforth! But, today the situation in Russia is very different! There is better Defence R&D and manufacturing quality also has vastly improved; including GREAT strides in futuristic defence technologies, that are proven first before being sold outside of Russia. MIG-35 proved its worth to the Russian airforce; the Russian Knights were formed on the latest MIG-29 series firstly - before they moved onto the SU-35 platform.

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blackcat (9)
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Posted: October 8, 2011 (12:50 PM)
Another VERY important fact is that USA's JSF Development is still not completely done yet - US is desperately looking for a funding JV partner to complete the base design fully! Projected new costs today are USD$90 million a piece. Not a proven fighter technolgy at all - incidentally JSF uses a Russian ejection seat and the Thrust-Vecoting technology from the cancelled YAK-VSTOL Russian fighter program!
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