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MIG 35 for 126 MRCA for IAF
Monday, October 31, 2005 (00:01 AM)

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blackcat (9)
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Posted: October 9, 2011 (2:03 AM)
Ok, so today's news says MRCA deal to be signed by Dec '11 end: for 126 fighters! GREAT! But that still does not solve the problem of 400 odd MIG series going out of commission in 2013 yes? IAF Squadron strengths WILL deplete to 30+ anyways since, Jags are also getting very old and cannot be pushed beyond 2020. Pak-AF is going great guns w/ China and keenly building up its Squadron strengths to 30+ by 2020 w/ JF-17s & J-10s and J-9s. Also, they have around 300+ of the Huey-Cobras and Apaches - the deadliest anti-armour platform in the world! US still continues to plump down F-16 Block 50s; in spite of the fact that Pak-ISI has very close ties to terrorist outfits. India needs to be prepared and not allow any more Kargil's or Chinese cross-border incursions in North India! IAF, I am 100% sure is super-ready to rise up to this challenge but, they will need their squadron numbers: 45+ is desirable for IAF; but 50+ is the VERY BEST squadron strength for the IAF - I very strongly feel so. Then, next step would be to do the needful in a cost-effective and smart approach. My answer to this would be to, Open up the MIG assembly lines at HAL-Nasik MIG-35 airframes, and engine factory at HAL-Khoraput to produce the RD-233OVT engines; already manufacturing RD-33 for export and local use now! Jointly co-produce & manufacture; both in Russia and India, around 300+ MIG-35 with the LATEST smart suite of Avionics from Russia / Israel / France / EADS / Indian DRDO etc. Keep the total costs per aircraft intelligently to below 60-65 USD$million per aircraft. Increase forward-airbases in the North and North-East borders by deploying the MIG35s there in huge numbers. SU30MKI is far too expensive to be on the borders I feel. Should be more of a backup role to the front-line fighters like MIG29/35 ; LCA ; Mirage2000 etc.

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blackcat (9)
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Posted: October 15, 2011 (00:50 AM)
Horrible news out of HAL; Sq. Ldr. veteran combat fighter pilot - GREAT man and tragic loss for India. Lets take a minute of silence for his kindered soul to rest in peace people. Chinese are busy in PoK beefing-up Pak-airbases; completing an intricate network of rail and high-altitude road highways thru' the Karkhoum mountain-passes into Pakistan. Chinese are now able to pump-in thousands of troops and mordern-tanks within a few hours into PoK! Aksai-Chin & Tibet are being turned into nuclear-missile-base-silos aimed against all major Indian cities. Pak is again upping the ante on Kashmir Plebiscite. China repeatedly placing claims on Arunachal Pradesh and cross-border incursions increasing in HP; Assam also Sikkim now! String of pearls Chinese have naval bases in Myanamar, Sri Lanka and South China Seas nuclear submarine hidden bases! All this is adding up to one startling conclusion; Pak-China-Axis to de-stabilize and possibly destroy India in the coming years. Any conflict with either countries could end-up in a Nuclear show-down; with terrible-tragic outcome to India alone. We have only just woken-up to this reality and Govt. is actively looking for Indian nuclear-raw-resources to build more nukes - one site found in AP I think? What about the outcome of such a nuclear-war on global warming and the ozone layer depletion? It could lead to a new-ice-age I feel; affecting the whole Earth! US-Intel has already warned Senate-Congress & Prez on China's renewed belligerence w/ India on border issues and naval expansions. Indian Govt & Intel agencies have rcvd same inputs from US-Intel agencies; obviously, USA is more concerned about these new Pak-China developments than our own Govt. & Intel agencies. US sees a real-log-term problem emanating out of this region and also there's the Taiwan Straits issue on-going for so long! We MUST HAVE a strategic defense agreement-pact with BOTH Russia and USA to counter the evil designs of a China-Pak Axis. US must be allowed to have some sort of presence in the Indian sub-continent; as a statement of solidarity with the Indian Republic. Same goes for Russia; a Stalwart-Strategic old-times partner of India since 1947 Independence Days! They need to be more pro-active with India's defense needs as of now. Russia needs to put across a NEW MIG-35 deal; over and above the MRCA deal, to the Indian MoD and IAF in a very attractive-joint-venture type-bare-minimum costs-deal; to capture the attention of IAF. Once production starts in India, we can next decide on the final number of MIG35 squadrons to outfit & field on the Chinese and PoK borders. It WILL be a Great deterrent to the evil Cina-Pak Axis's designs on our Great Nation! I don't see much happening on the LCA front for next five years or so. Currently, its just a supersonic-very-pilot-freindly and safe Trainer. Not at all at a front-line quick-reaction fighter level! More on that in my next post.

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blackcat (9)
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Posted: October 15, 2011 (4:01 AM)
F-35 JSF development looks to be shelved pretty soon; similar as the 5th Gen Commanche Stealth-Attack helicopter project Reasons: costs overrun; lack of congressional interest and funding for a project beset with technical difficulties and severe project costs overrun! USAF is now desperately looking for a JV country partner to fund & get the project completed in the least, rather than scrap the whole deal; but it would appear that costs per aircraft could very well go up to USD$200 million per completed FOC ver. bird!
NAL-HAL LCA: Similar costs overrun and technical difficulties: NAL designed modified-Delta airframe and GE404 engines are severely mismatched and fighter at best can be used only as a Supersonic Trainer to replace outdated MIG-21 trainers. Current LCA MK-1 can only pull 7.8Gs against the designed 9.5Gs! Fully loaded w/ weapons the Angle of Attack is too dangerously low; worse than that of MIG-21/J-7/J-9/JF-17 fighters. Cannot even match the 1st gen of F-16 in performance; in spite of being built with very modern 5th Gen technologies. Indian AESA radar nowhere in sight. LRDE came up with only a very basic MMR digital radar, which cannot be used in frontline fighters at all! No Indian HMSS fielded & HAL is not including Israeli or Russian HMSS in the LCA's suite of avionics. Recent severe rifts b/w IAF and HAL; politics over Chairman of HAL selection post, after Sq. Ldr. Baldev's unfortunate demise. Tyagi - HAL's choice has 0% exprience in the design and manufacturing process of aircrafts let alone fighters. He comes from a background of maintenance of aircrafts for ONGC and Pawan Hans Helicopters - very severe negative point for future of HAL and IAFs relationship in modern fighters design and development! EADS-Typhoon HMSS is very effective; supposedly best in the world now! China has developed both an AESA radar and HMSS-supposedly much better than the Su-30MK series one! They are upgrading the J-7 Shenyangs with AESA & HMSS 'n calling it J-9s. AESA radars and HMSS also in the JF-17 & J-10 Chengdu's! The only alternate-option, I now see for India to counter these Pak-China threats; is to go in for a Govt-Govt deal with Russia and manufacture 100s of MIG-35s with the Typhoon-HMSS + Phazatron Zhuk AESA radars and other French Indian Russian avionics suite and deploy these squadrons along Chinese and PoK borders asap! F16s & F18s are definetely NOT for IAF. Typhoons are good but VERY expensive to be deployed on the borders; as are the Su-30MKI / SU35-BMs. LCA is nowhere in sight and not a front-line fighter at all! Only answer is the MIG-35s in the hundreds of numbers! Jai Ho - Bharath Matha ki Jai!

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blackcat (9)
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Posted: October 16, 2011 (2:25 AM)
My take on the NAL-HAL-LCA; in grave danger of being ditched as a front-line fighter by the IAF! Current LCA-MkI w/ GE404 engines has a sustained turn rate of 17degrees per second fully loaded. Compare this with JF-17 - 21degrees per second; F-16 Block 60series - 23 to 25degrees per second and the MIG-35 with 30degrees per second, thanks to RD233-OVT assymetrical thrust vectoring nozzles - in full 360 degrees plane! Also, current LCA does not field a HMSS yet. Roll rate; AoA; climb and dive rates are also very poor when compared to the JF-17 & F-16. All this adds up LCA to a "sitting-duck" sucking target, when in close combat with any of these fighters! HMSS could give the LCA some edge but, this does not add a squat when you look at the other features - which are all way below par in comparison to F-16 and JF-17. Also, no AESA radar out yet from LRDE. MIG35 has none of these drawbacks and is DEFINETELY WAY BETTER than JF-17 / F-16 Block 60 / J-9 / J-10s in every aspect of a front-line fighter's required "dog-house-graphs". AESA and a modern Russian HMSS also present w/ the super-deadly R-77 & 79's on MIG35s. So, why may I ask has the MoD and the IAF not really looked hard into this prospect; to beef up IAFs depleting squadron strength, by quickly joint deal co-manufacturing the mordern-futuristic MIG35s with Russia?

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blackcat (9)
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Posted: November 5, 2011 (3:04 AM)
News about a "Chinese-Type-Kargil" imminent soon! "String of Pearls" strategy to constrict Indian navy, almost complete with South China Seas secret underground nuclear-sub bases + Naval presence in Spratly Islands - Burma ; Sri Lanka & Karachi ports have Chinese frigates permanently present. Chinese nuke missile silos completed in Tibet, Aksai Chin and next probably PoK! All Chinese forward air-bases along Indian borders are now upgraded for Su-30MKK, J-10Chengdu, J-9s operations. India's answer required very soon! My solution, immediately raise 15nos. squadrons of Front-line Interceptor-Fighters - BEST MORDERNIZED MIG-35BMs & 10nos. squadrons of SU-35BMs. MIG35s positioned at all forward airbases and Su35s to play a support role. Scrap and sell as junk entire fleets of MIG21's ; 25's ; 27's and delegate LCA-MKIs to purely Advanced Supersonic Fighter Trainer roles; to replace "flying coffin" MIG-21-Trainers within next 5 years. MIG35BM costs can be easily maintained at below $60million per aircraft; if we immediately joint-manufacture w/ Russia 300+ nos. Russian Defence Industries can gain precious exposure to the very best of Israeli + EADS + French 'n Indian DRDO avionics suites. Russian AirForce can also buy into these Super MIG35BMs next.

Gen. Kayani threatens US w/ nuke weapons if they attack the NWFP terrorist camps?! Is this guy crazee or what? Wot does US hope to gain from Pak in the future now, with such people in power? Don't forget the fact that an independent FBI investigation report done immediately after 9-11, discovered a secret money-trail leading directly to Gen. Mushraff's bank account! This was hushed-up later on I wonder why?! Why not India assist the US in anti-terror-joint-ops henceforth? Do we want to hide under the umbrella of NAM and neutrality forever and have ourselves exposed to countless terror-attacks in the future also? We need to show some solidarity for USA's efforts to "make the world a safer place - free of terrorists" and thus gain urgently needed support of USA; for all of our future problems with the "Evil-China-Pak-Axis" right folks? Need to dwell on these matters seriously and propose a solid future roadmap for our Govt. to act upon very quickly people!


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RohanSharma (1)
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Posted: November 17, 2011 (11:27 PM)
Mig-35 is a really advanced jet and is a attacking aircraft so is rafale.

But typhoon gives the best bet of all in terms of pure tech and capability as a fighter.Its aerodynamics is out of league whether raptor or sukhoi no one matches its class in that.
Though its high end cost at 110million a piece and setting up of a entire ne infrstructure will put the cost about 25 billion for 200 jets while rafale at 80 million a piece and infrastructure available for mirage2000 makes it a cheaper option and rules out the option for pak to have rafale thereby making it tough for chinese to reverse engineer such a great aircraft. Typhoon is way out of budget for pakis and they are not going to spend on that also the consortium itself will try not to provide pak with such advanced jet.

At 12.4billion we can go for 150 rafale. with meteor missile on the offering which will make it very deadly for paf or plaaf.

and a 10 billion dollar investment in mig-35 to get more than 200 such pieces as at 40 million dollar now its comparatively cheaper.

The problem is with the engine it uses and its lack of defensive ability as F-18 posses also being a shortrange jet doesn't help it as rafale has short range too.

So we must involved into program and replace the engine by expanding the airframe by 2m and inducting new advanced AL_31 or eurojet engines to power mig-35 and I will prefer the improvement in current engine and by expanding airframe to increase its fuel capacity and a more fuelefficient engine like al-31.

Also Israeli radar jammer must be put into it with a early warning system that we use in tejas to make it able to defend itself.

But this must be only for Indian version of mig-35.
Also its service sealing should be increased like a mig-31 possess it will give dual advantage of being a interceptor and combat craft and will advantage to save itself by flying at above 70000 m as no airaft operates above 50-55000 ft .

At most the entire program will be of 1 billion dollar and we will be able to have it underabout 55-60 million a piece.
and a strength of 300 such will cost just 18 billion at max.

in case these things are now too late to consider lets see what goes now.

pakfa is much better than F-35 and rafale suits navy far better than f-35 as it is able to just have four hardpoints while rafale typhoon or pak fa FGFA t-50 can carry 14 missiles.

F-35 at over 150 million "may be more" is waste of money may be if it rolls out well we can go over but its unlikely.

Also in case India wish to go for typhoon its a win win situation too though very costly it is.
I wish our Drdo and Hal could have been as capable as chinese in reverse engineering and make that craft with material composites we will be using in Sukhoi pak fa t-50 combined with israeli radar jammer making it deadliest weopan in world.

Just a thought sochne mein kyaa jata hain lol


Posted by
blkcat (1)
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Posted: November 18, 2011 (4:19 AM)
True Rohan. Good inputs on the MIG-35 for IAF expanded range more powerful engines etc. I'm sure MRCA will be decided in favor of Typhoon! So, modified MIG-35s and Typhoons for the IAF until we get the T-50 PAK-FA-5th gen birds from Father Russia for Mother India! :-)

Unfortunately, intuition speaks for itself on the F-35 deal to India - even if these do get developed fully, flyaway cost per bird would be nothing less than 200-USD$million a piece I feel!

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