Some of the NATO faithful will call this "commie propaganda," sad fact it was produced by Americans, and has the Pilots, yes, the American ones, confirming.

On to the ultimate NATO cheerleader Mike Spick.
The book in question is "Fighters At War." pg 125 talks about the victory in 1967 of operation "Bolo," which indeed it was. Then; however the book states "in the months following August 1967, Mig 21s shot down 18 USAF fighters (not mentioning which type) while losing only 5 of their own. Then in March 1968, American incursions over N. Vietnam ceased.

Of course later in the book he states how America triumphantly returned to the skys over N.V., one of his many backtracks.

No, I do not hate America, I in fact love my country! But, I hate what it has become.

And all those who say "we should go over and kick their ass," in reference to anyone who does not fall in line with the neo-con or Israeli agenda, should take a cold hard look at the fact others can hit back.

And the so-called defeated nation of Russia, took oil rich lands just north of Afganistian, which none of those "victorious freedom fighters" ever got anywhere near. Took what is minerally the most valuable part of the country from their "finn masters" and never gave it back. Hey the Uks got their far more valuable land back in entirety. Japan never even touched the large natural gas reserves so near its border, which are in real value 10x what that entire nation is worth.

Why is Russia so poor? Simple it is very unstable. Two major social upheavels (that we know of) in the last 100 years alone, Uncle joes purges, which I've read some who claim it not only destroys that generation, but, future ones deprived of the knowledge that could have been passed on. Just given the chaotic nature of the last 100 years alone, it's a wonder it still exists. Could any other modern nation endure that?

Reagan? Ha. He just found a weak leader in Gorby. Gorby was a great leader as far as his concern for his people, but from a military strength standpoint he was weak. Never do you hear of his exchanges with M.Gs predicessiors, why? Because they stood up to him.

Lets not forget the "butt-kicking kings" of the middle east. The ones whom despite all their ass kicking, still hold no valuable areas of the region! No Oil, No Canal, No agraculturally or minerally significant holdings to speak of. Why? Cause of their "god", that would be a 1st. That name used to stop a massacare and a land/asset grab.

And what of the other "boot up your ass kings of the world?" Still no foothold in any valuable part of mainland asia. All Afganistan has is second rate opiates, and the "Da turdy eght parallel" which "we kicked der ass backta" is still seperated from the mainland by a very hostile NK.

Being an example of freedom and goodness, is not unnessarry showing of force.

It is an example shown by many average Americans every day. Bush and his haves and have mores are not the average American, nor are the mentally malfunctioning "lower chasts" whom support him.

First: Soviets had always better aircraft. Think about what said the experts, americans experts in 1975! In case of war against USSR, USA would lost in 17 days! To much difference in power at that time don't you think?
Yet, in 1975 there were some F-14A and F-15A (maybe)but in SU side were MiG-21 not MiG-29 and Su-27.
That statistics were made in non nuclear war option.
USA always fear SU and now Russia. Why they don't attack (kick ass) Iran? Because there are the russians. Think about war against N. Korea - in the press were told about possibility of war NATO against N.K. Putin said then it is inacceptable such a solution. So, was there a war?
USA said they will no use Soyuz to fly at ISS. Than they think that if they will not fly at ISS then the russians will be there, only russians, very sweet, no?
Russia haven't Mir anymore, but now have ISS.
Why the results of military exercises between India and France 2005 and India and USA are not shown?
Because of shame!
Gorby - was a fool man! He did not wanted to collaps SU but.
Think about KGB, what did in 1981? Tried to kill PAPA! Why? Because the revolusions began from Poland in 1989. KGB knew that!

About knowledge in Russia and SU. Believe me that in no country in the West were not such schools like in SU. Now in Russia the school goes down, like in my country Romania 8-(

Did anyone read Jon Lake's article in Air Power? Now if any call him a "russaphile" they obviously have not read his work. He does lean toward the U.S.A. but, his writing is well researched and makes a strong case. He wrote about Cope India 04 and made this suprising revelation.

1The "SU-30" used by the IAF, was not a full spec model. It was in fact a SU-27 UB with only a few upgrades.

He also wrote somthing to the effect that when/if flown by trained pilots using modern tactics, the SU-27/MiG 29 can beat Americas best.

Even on other sites where all they could talk about was how the USAF was handicaped and outnumbered are starting to admit, when the roles were reversed and the IAF was on the "short end" they still came out on top, and that the IAF had their hands tied as-well.

www.vectorsite.net. Another who could hardly be classed as a "lover of russian aircraft." Gives a specific date and location when 2 F-15's and 2 MiG-25's mixed it up, and both sides lost an aircraft.

Considering the circumstances, that MiG-25 kill in the Gulf War (which the USN finally admitted to after a few years of denial), says more that the F-15's claimed 100.5 victories. IMHO.

As well the SU-27 kills in the Etho-Erit war.

Tell me one single case MiG-21 vs F-4, or MiG-29 vs F-16 or F-15 or F-18, and so on.

USA win because they use many and many aircraft with AWACS, used spies, etc. MiG-29 wasn't SMT or other good configuration! It was A version - the first! USA don't have any more F-15A or F-16A or F-18A.

Ivan Nikitovich Kozhedub

On one occasion he met a flight of US B-17's being attacked by German fighters, and attempted to defend those bombers. The American fighter escort mistakenly identified him as a hostile German fighter (there were many such mishaps because at a distance a Soviet La-5(7) and a US P-47 look fairly similar to the German FW-190). Kozhedub had only one way to survive - by returning fire. That day he shot down 2 P-51D's (1 pilot bailed out, 1 pilot killed). For decades this was an unknown detail of his biography.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Kozhedub

here is another record:

http://www.acepilots.com/russian/rus_aces.html

I was always wondering why MiG-15 got nato name "Fagot"? From what I've heard first hand is that is was f&*$king anything that was in the air.

Hey cowboykiller - look at the pilots who flew those russian jets.

and on the end - my favorite. F-117 was shot down by K-200 (designed in 60th). My guess its forgot F-117 was stealth and it aint supposed to shot it down!