| Main Forum Page | Start new Thread | Edit your AD | Search Forumgood or bad Monday, April 3, 2006 (3:40 PM)Posted by fiddler (14) Edit | good or bad | did the former soviet union really struggle to make a decent bomber during the cold war.most of the publications i have seen always seem to make this point. it is true the bison didnt live up to expectations,lackig the range needed to strike the US.but the aircraft still had a long career as a tanker and other roles.what about the tu 22 blinder,though not exactly a pilots dream to fly "so ive heard",they had a long career.so was these aircrft really flops or was it just western propaganda. |
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Posted by Sukhoy (488) Edit | RE: good or bad Posted: April 3, 2006 (5:29 PM) | I think Tu-160 is one of the best bomber. If I have to choose Tu-160 or B-2 or F-117 I will choose Tu-160. Why? More load more speed. Stealth is not proven for F-117 for example. 5 of them crash in non-combat due to computer failure. Earlier radar can see USAF bomber for example P-40 radar allowed S-125 �Kub� complex missiles in Kosovo to shot down 1 F-117 and damaged another 2. |
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Posted by thisisreal (110) Edit | RE: good or bad Posted: April 5, 2006 (7:12 PM) | not this all over again. You are forgetting that all stealth aircraft DO SHOW UP on radar. It's just that their signatures are too small to track and guide missiles to. 5 aircrafts failures during its entire lifetime is not much at all, compare it to other aircrats. Once again Russian technology demonstrates its superiority against a stealth aircraft. ONCE Exactly 2 aircraft was downed during the entire air campaign against Serbia. Despite the entire county's RUSSIAN-MADE integrated air defense system being engaged in a life-or-death struggle, they scored 2 kills. Also, F-117 has flown thousands of sorties in the MOST HEAVILY DEFENDED AIRSPACES in the world. Only 1 have EVER been shot down in combat. And thats was under the best possibile scenario. NATO commanders flew their planes over the same route over and over at the same time. Plus the missile was an optic shot, NOT radar guided. |
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Posted by Foxhound (131) Edit | RE: good or bad Posted: April 5, 2006 (7:55 PM) | Heavily defended? What equiptment did the defender use? It was most assuridly not state-of-the-art, in the time of the conflict(s). By the way, the Dark Horse Country. Ukraine. Try looking at something other than Fox news, or newsmax.comPOST And even they were giddy at one time. When they though the US might gain what they precieve as a backward, 3rd world nation, with a large amount of natural wealth. For an ally. But, despite many hopeful and often misleading (deliberate or not) news"stories." That nation is not interested in political games. Oh Yeah: MrReal This nation exists. Whereas; Your "person" was just a mix of various leaders. Mostly Chavez. Foxhound: whatever. |
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Posted by thisisreal (110) Edit | RE: good or bad Posted: April 5, 2006 (11:46 PM) | The first Gulf War, Baghdad was the most heavily defended airspace in the world, save Moscow. And yes, they did use Russian defense systems. |
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Posted by Sukhoy (488) Edit | RE: good or bad Posted: April 6, 2006 (4:34 AM) | "The first Gulf War, Baghdad was the most heavily defended airspace in the world, save Moscow. And yes, they did use Russian defense systems." What? Baghdad was defended by 4000 cannons back from 50-60'. Please, be more realistic. Irak was the 4th strongest power in the world in first Gulf War? USA said that. So I tell you at least 5-6 stronger power than Irak at that time: USA, Russia, China, India, UK, France. We will see war against Iran. Maybe USA will say before invasion that Iran is the 2nd power in the world :)). Please be more realistic in your posts. |
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Posted by fiddler (14) Edit | RE: good or bad Posted: April 6, 2006 (4:10 PM) | the trouble is mate,half of the iraqi airforce is now the irainian airforce.so we are led to belive.if the yanks do go into iran,where will the aircraft go then, syria maybe. |
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Posted by Sukhoy (488) Edit | RE: good or bad Posted: April 6, 2006 (4:23 PM) | What are you talking about? No Irak's aircraft gone to Iran in Gulf Wars. It was thought that, but Saddam buried into sand. Iran will not send to any other country. |
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Posted by fiddler (14) Edit | RE: good or bad Posted: April 6, 2006 (6:12 PM) | maybe the iranians will hide there aircraft in the sand as well.i stand corrected. sorry. |
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Posted by Sukhoy (488) Edit | RE: good or bad Posted: April 6, 2006 (6:26 PM) | I think they will fight at the begining but if they will see they will lose, their morale will go down very quickly. I want US spies will not have any succes in Iran. I want a clear war, and Russia to sell weapons signed in all contracts before the war. |
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Posted by Foxhound (131) Edit | RE: good or bad Posted: April 6, 2006 (8:40 PM) | Again I ask. What generation were the anti-aircraft systems used? The most heavily defended air-spaces in the world? Didn't know they flew over Moscow. It was done by the UK in earily 50's. Not since then by any aircraft operating in atmosphere. Obital? Yes. |
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