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Friday, April 28, 2006 (7:03 PM)
Posted by
MarlboroMan (30)
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Posted: May 16, 2006 (5:47 PM) | Oh thats where you are wrong. The United States has a very keen interest in what happens to Taiwan. The United States would lose face if it did not protect Taiwan, and it would put China in a better position to to hinder the resources of nations allied to the US like Japan. Not to mention the US has a vested interest in making sure China does not get any stronger. Especially given the number of people who hate the US, it can't afford to appear weak.
China talks a big game, but its the dance of superpowers, threaten, and threaten, but don't be stupid enough to actually start something.
If the day ever comes that China does attack Taiwan and the US does not intervene, you can bet there were some deals under the table between the two superpowers. Vietnam proved the US is not above selling out its allies. |
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Posted by
Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: May 16, 2006 (6:37 PM) | Russia and China didn't try to splitt USA or something like that.
USA think are the GOD, and they want to do everything without listening anybody (like Putin said).
Maybe in future we will see another balance of power and another weapons market which are very important, especialy for Russia.
USA stops to sell weapons to Venezuela, and togheter with Mexic maybe will buy Sukhoi.
USA tried always to change communist into democratic caountry, but maybe democracy are not the best, and there are many kind af democracy. I personaly don't like US democracy, humans right doesn't exist when US start wars without true reasons, and so on. .Maybe in Taiwan case, China don't have fully right, but USA start again an arm race there.It is fair? |
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Posted by
MarlboroMan (30)
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Posted: May 16, 2006 (7:08 PM) | | And while I am at it, what the hell does fair have to do with anything? (This goes to both pro and anti US people) When things are fair, everybody is equally miserable. |
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Posted by
Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: May 16, 2006 (7:12 PM) | In Afghanistan, right, but URSS didn't said they fought for humans rights. But USA kill with no mercy and they save the world than. .
Too, Putin said that.
About Vietnam and Korea, only when USA went there, begun the war. Untill that, they were communists (due to URSS) but with no wars.You are right when you say that a country are bigger and stronger only if expand its territories and sphare of influence - look USSR. |
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Posted by
MarlboroMan (30)
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Posted: May 16, 2006 (7:22 PM) | NO the USSR just said to hell with it and went in.
And as far as "interferance" in Korea and Vietnam, the spread of communism was not in the best interest of the US, so they worked to stop it. If the Soviet Union had been just as bold, it might still be here today (or we might have had global thermonuclear war) who knows?And on that note, the US kills people in a military capacity, and does not do so to its own citizens. Hussein killed thousands of his own citizens, his defeat is a net gain for human rights. The US opposes communism because of its horrible track record in regard for human rights. Is the US perfect, certainly not. Though they're assertion of human rights for the reason of war in the modern era must rank 3rd or 4th at best on their list of reasons. But it is at least a reason, what reasons do comunist nations give for forced expansion? And again the US hasn't kept the things it aquires from war in some time. Again hate the US all you want, but those nations that can do, and those that don't collapse. (Sooner rather than later) |
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Posted by
MarlboroMan (30)
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Posted: May 16, 2006 (7:33 PM) | | On that note it would be refreshing for the US to be more truthful about its reasons. Afterall the human rights of those in another nation must take a back seat to the benefit of your own citizens. Otherwise your defeating your own purpose. |
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Posted by
RED_SCARE (5)
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Posted: May 16, 2006 (9:14 PM) | | I think there excuse for forced expansion is that they are 'liberating' the people from the Landlords and the dictators. (Reminds me a little what USA did in Iraq, the only difference was that they first said Iraq was a threat to USA then after war was officailly over, George said it was to liberate the Iraqi people) And that is true wat you said the US has accounts for all the people killed by Saddam but not how many they have killed in Iraq(civilians) |
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Posted by
MarlboroMan (30)
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Posted: May 17, 2006 (00:04 AM) | | Collateral damage will happen in any war, there is a differance between that, and organized genocide. |
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Posted by
Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: May 17, 2006 (5:28 AM) | | Yes, but USA can do more not to kill civilians. I saw some videos and there many people were killed wih no mercy even they were civilians. It's a kind of genocide for me. Saddam is guilty for what did in the past, but THE W. (Bush) in my opinion are more guilty in all what he did. |
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Posted by
Rebate (67)
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Posted: May 17, 2006 (11:50 AM) | | There can be USA would play with China in war but on the nearest time the USA stick in IRAQ and on the approach IRAN. At the USA simply there will be no forces and resources some more on war with China. "Russia invaded Afghanistan"
- Not Russia, but the USSR. "Collateral damage will happen in any war" - OK, How to explain use of the forbidden cassette bombs and also phosphoric bombs which burn the person through. It's horrible. The purpose justifies means?, bosh. |
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