| Main Forum Page | Start new Thread | Edit your AD | Search ForumUS pushing India hard to buy F-16? Thursday, September 28, 2006 (4:49 AM)Posted by Rowdy (105) Edit | US pushing India hard to buy F-16? | most of you must be wondering why India is taking so much time to decide MRCA deal, the reason is , america is forcing indian leadership to buy F-16/18, US has done this before when Air India was buying Airbus from France |
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Posted by MRCAdeal (1) Edit | RE: US pushing India hard to buy F-16? Posted: October 3, 2006 (5:22 AM) | Dont forget that MRCA deal is not only for Bying Aircraft but also improve relations with a Country.The original intent of India's fighter purchase was to replace hundreds of non-upgraded MiG-21s that India will be forced to retire, with a complementary force of 126 aircraft to go with India's high end Su-30MKIs, and its low-end Tejas LCA lightweight fighter. India's requirements are also changing. Jane's Defence Weekly notes that India wishes to 'significantly' augment their strike capability and range to deal with out-of-area contingencies . This has delayed the MRCA RFP, originally expected in December 2005. Another contributor to these delays has been the need to refine and clarify the new industrial offset rules (perhaps US lobbying has made a difference). |
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Posted by Foxhound (131) Edit | RE: US pushing India hard to buy F-16? Posted: October 5, 2006 (11:28 AM) | US can push and lobby all they want. It does not mean they will buy US made aircraft. Same goes for any other participants, in this race for one of the most lucrative contracts available. American media has been telling us about India's purchasing F-16/18's for years now. So far they have not. Foxhound. |
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Posted by Foxhound (131) Edit | RE: US pushing India hard to buy F-16? Posted: October 6, 2006 (9:43 PM) | According to Air Forces Monthly, news section. There is a Purchase/Sell/Upgrade in process for the SU-30's in India's sphere, some will be modified to a MKIII standard, a few new builds are in the works, others (I'm thinking the 27UB/30 varients) are being sold off, Belorus is one of the purchasers. The MKIII modification has no Israili involvment, in any capacity. India is purchasing some MiG-29K for one its carrier. Future procurment is unknown. Thats all that is definite. Of course the US is pushing hard, as is France and Russia. Could you blame any of them? This will be a windfall for any concern. Foxhound: |
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Posted by Rowdy (105) Edit | RE: US pushing India hard to buy F-16? Posted: October 9, 2006 (4:48 AM) | Air India(civil carrier) was buying Airbus, but US envoy to India David C Mulford forced authorities to buy Boeing, even French ambassador to India cited reasons "other" than commercial influenced the deal, since we will not be going to war with jumbo jets it hardly matters, but it is a serious issue regarding MRCA deal, US is using its influence to grab the $6.5bn deal |
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Posted by Sukhoy (488) Edit | RE: US pushing India hard to buy F-16? Posted: October 9, 2006 (4:45 PM) | So, you think USA does anything to win that contract? - 190-200 aircraft? Russia really does that "anything": India want to contribute at that contract, want to produce some components including engines. This condition only Russia can offer. More, India have already infrastructure for russian aircraft, so it can easy, very easy to maintain that nomber of aircraft. India have many advantage if buy MRCA. USA want to gain terrain with nuclear domain, some contracts etc, but I think, too weak. |
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Posted by Foxhound (131) Edit | RE: US pushing India hard to buy F-16? Posted: October 10, 2006 (2:30 AM) | Good points both. Rowdy and Sukhoy. But, there is of yet no clear winner, as far as the issue under disscusion. Sukhoy however; Does have a strong counterpoint, citing Russias long standing relationship with India, as well as their satisfaction with Russias products so far. Foxhound: |
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Posted by Rowdy (105) Edit | RE: US pushing India hard to buy F-16? Posted: October 10, 2006 (4:08 AM) | Indian Air Force has some of the world's most diverse fleet, ranging two oppanent contractor, it wil be tough for the Maintanence Command of IAF to deal with a new origin, it will be better if india go with russia or france @foxhound,sukhoy Left parties in parliament blamed US for black mailing India regarding MRCA deal in exchange of Indo-US N-deal, it may be true! |
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Posted by Foxhound (131) Edit | RE: US pushing India hard to buy F-16? Posted: October 10, 2006 (2:20 PM) | True. They do have a unparalleled air fleet, as far as diverse origins. Their largest military supplier is Russia though. And given results of Cope India(04-05,) as well as the CONUS events (W/ a reunified Luftwaffe,) I can see a very tough sell for the US. USA Fanboys (whats next? A plane with relitivly small Non-adjustable intakes, and exaust pipes on the same magnitude. Cleared for near orbital, and Mach4 flight.) Will trounce out the well worn "Real combat" stories. But, India's leadership being the thinking/rationalizing type, realizies they may not always go 5 to 1, against poorly trained, ill-equiped forces. History Channels "Dogfights" feature. Willy "Irish" Driscol and "Duke" Cunningham, One of Americas best fighting teams, admit to running away when confronted by MiG-21's. As far as the constantly "revised" kill ratios. Mention and look-up the word "Honchos" in reference to Korea and Vietnam. They were Russian pilots, and from most sources gave back as good, if not, better than recieved from US/NATO pilots. These portions may be off-topic. But, I see it as covering some bases, as a pro-USA might bring up the "real-combat" argument. To assume however; The USA lacks accomplishment, is ignorant, in it's own right. This is not to insult or praise any entity, just bring up a rare-used counterpoint. Foxhound. |
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Posted by MarlboroManX (48) Edit | RE: US pushing India hard to buy F-16? Posted: November 21, 2007 (9:01 PM) | While I tend to like American craft better if I were in India's position go with the Russian aircraft all the way. From the days of the Soviet Union aircraft and tanks were designed "So that a farmer could lay down his pitchfork, be shown what to do, and do so without training" If there is one thing I as an aircraft enthusiast love about Russian aircraft its that their cheap, easy to maintain, and give a good bang for the buck. If you want my opinion on why US is pushing so hard for India to buy F-16, its because they want to sell as many as they can before they discontinue the series to devote resources to the F-35's construction. |
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Posted by Sukhoy (488) Edit | RE: US pushing India hard to buy F-16? Posted: February 1, 2008 (7:19 AM) | When is the new deadline for MRCA decision? Or there is no deadline? |
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